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    Default Bet365 Market Predatory

    Bet365 is marked predatory for the following terms:

    Dated:2011-07-19 - Commissions - Bundling
    3.2 Payable Commission Calculations


    Affiliates are eligible for payment on the balance of their sports, casino, poker, games or bingo earnings. Negative commission balances in either sports, casino, poker, games or bingo will be deducted from available commissions.


    Dated:2011-07-19 - Commissions - Minimum Payment
    The minimum payout request for earned Referral Commission per month depends upon the currency denomination of your affiliate account as shown below. There is no maximum limit.



    CURRENCYMINIMUM PAYOUT REQUEST
    Australian Dollars100 AUD
    Canadian Dollars100 CAD
    Chinese Renminbi750 RMB
    Danish Kroner500 DKK
    Euros60 EUR
    UK Pounds50 GBP
    Hong Kong Dollars750 HKD
    Icelandic Kroner8,000 ISK
    Japenese Yen10,000 JPY
    Malaysian Ringgits300 MYR
    Norwegian Kroner500 NOK
    Swedish Kronor600 SEK
    Singapore Dollars150 SGD
    Thai Baht3,500 THB
    United States Dollars100 USD






    An active referred Customer is defined as a visitor to your site(s) who has clicked through to a bet365 website via your click-thru link, has registered as a customer, deposited funds to their customer account and conducted betting or playing activity in one or more bet365 products - Sports at bet365, Casino at bet365, Poker at bet365, Games at bet365 and/or Bingo at bet365.



    Dated:2011-07-19 - Commissions - Payment Date
    4.1 Referral Fee Payout Requests
    Your bet365affiliate account must have a minimum of 5 active referred Customers before you will be eligible for Referral Commission payment. Subject to clause 6, you are entitled to one payout per month, providing you have fulfilled the above Customer requirement at the end of the preceding month.



    Payout requests for any calendar month%u2019s Referral Commissions may be made anytime from the start of the second day (UK time) of the following calendar month.

    Dated:2011-07-19 - Commissions Calculation
    3.1 The Referral Commission

    Subject to clause 6, you will earn Referral Commission of 30% based on the net profit of your referred Customers. Net profit is defined as:



      - on sports activities, all gross monies received by us in respect of all settled bets made by Customers after deducting; (i) monies paid out to Customers as winnings; (ii) monies paid in the form of betting duties or taxes (or reasonable provisions in respect thereof) (iii) bad debts; (iv) fraud; (v) returned stakes; (vi) transactions which are reversed by instruction from the card-holder's bank (commonly referred to as charge-backs); and (vii) voids and (viii) bet/deposit bonuses.
      - on casino activities, the value of opening balance with the addition of funds transferred in less (i) funds transferred out (ii) closing balance (iii) credits made to users (iv) licensing fees (v) charge-backs (vi) bad debts and (vii) fraud.
      - on poker activity, the gross rake less (i) licensing fees, (ii) poker chips bonus, (iii) charge-backs, (iv) bad debts and (v) fraud.
      - on games activity, the gross stake, less (i) voids, (ii) returns, (iii) licensing fees, (iv) credits made to users, (v) bonuses (vi) charge-backs, (vii) bad debts and (viii) fraud.
      - on bingo activity, the gross stake, less (i) voids, (ii) returns, (iii) licensing fees, (iv) credits made to users, (v) bonuses (vi) charge-backs, (vii) bad debts and (viii) fraud.


    We retain the right to change the Referral Commission percentage and method of calculation of Referral Commission as we wish in accordance with clause 1.4.

    Dated:2011-07-19 - Marketing - Competitive Marketing
    2.5 Bidding on Brand Terms


    You may not purchase or register keywords, search terms or other identifiers for use in any search engine, portal, sponsored advertising service or other search or referral service and which are identical or similar to any of bet365's trade marks or otherwise include the word "bet365", %u201Cbet365poker%u201D, %u201Cbet365casino%u201D or variations thereof, or include metatag keywords on the Partner Site which are identical or similar to any of bet365%u2019s trade marks.

    Dated:2011-07-19 - Marketing - Derivative Domain Names
    2.4 Registering of Domain Names

    You shall also refrain from registering (or applying to register) any domain name similar to any domain name used by or registered in the name of any member of the bet365 Group, or any other name that could be understood to designate the bet365 Group.

    Dated:2011-07-19 - Marketing - Maintaining Links
    2.1 Linking to our Websites

    By agreeing to participate in this Affiliate programme, you are agreeing to create and maintain unique links from your site to the bet365 Group Limited websites (bet365 - Sports Betting, Casino, Poker, Games, Bingo). You may link to us with any of our banners, e-mails, articles or with a text link. This is the only method by which you may advertise on our behalf.



    6. Continued Promotion


    You shall incorporate and prominently and continually display the most up-to-date links provided by us on all pages of your website in a manner and location agreed by us and you shall not alter the form, location or operation of the links without our prior written consent. You are eligible for Referral Commissions based upon your continued promotion of Sports at bet365, Casino at bet365, Poker at bet365, Games at bet365 or Bingo at bet365. We reserve the right to reduce Referral Commission percentages if you reduce your efforts to recruit new Customers. Your reduced or suspended promotion of our sites will be deemed to represent your termination of this Agreement.

    Dated:2011-07-19 - Minimum Player Rule
    2.2 Minimum Referral Requirement

    All bet365 affiliates are required to refer a minimum of 5 active Customers within a three month period of joining the program. Should an affiliate not reach this requirement the affiliate account may be closed, but you will have the option to open a new affiliate account.

    Dated:2011-07-19 - Spam
    2.3 Spamming

    We will terminate this Agreement immediately without recourse for you if there is any form of spamming or if you advertise our services in any other way. You shall not make any claims or representations, or give any warranties, in connection with us and you shall have no authority to, and shall not, bind us to any obligations.

    Dated:2011-07-19 - Termination
    5. Term and Termination, Consequences and Unsuitable Sites
    5.1 Term and Termination

    The term of this Agreement will begin when you are approved as an affiliate and will be continuous unless and until either party notifies the other in writing that it wishes to terminate the Agreement, in which case this Agreement will be terminated immediately. Termination is at will, with or without reason, by either party. For purposes of notification of termination, delivery via e-mail is considered a written and immediate form of notification.

    5.2 Consequence

    Upon termination you must remove all of our banners/icons from your site and disable all links from your site to ours. All rights and licenses given to you in this Agreement shall immediately terminate. You will return to us any confidential information, and all copies of it in your possession, custody and control and will cease all uses of our Marks.

    5.3 Unsuitable Sites

    We may terminate this Agreement if we determine (in our sole discretion) that your site is unsuitable. Unsuitable sites include, but are not limited to, those that: are aimed at children, display pornography or other illegal sexual acts, promote violence, promote discrimination based on race, sex, religion, nationality, disability, sexual orientation, or age, promote illegal activities or violate intellectual property rights.

    5.4 Duplicate Accounts and Self Referrals


    You shall not open more than one affiliate account without our prior written consent nor will you earn commission on your own or related person's bet365 sports, casino, poker, games or bingo account. The programme is intended for professional website publishers.





    Terms URL: http://help.bet365affiliates.com/home/mainpage.asp?popmembers=5001

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    I suppose my account is now eligible for closing?

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    !! They are (were) one of the very few decent and trustworthy Playtech casinos worth promoting!

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    2.2 is closing out new affiliates entirely...

    I remember i needed more than 3 months for getting 5 depositing customers... (the 5 customers is not new, but the timeframe attachment is...)

    And what does this exactly mean? -> "We reserve the right to reduce Referral Commission percentages if you reduce your efforts to recruit new Customers", What is reduced effort? Why should I be responsible for their non-conversion?

    Sad to see such great program is following some idiot tactics...
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    bet365 are regarded as the best UK facing operation by many.

    Their T&Cs are not ideal but as far as I'm aware, they haven't terminated any accounts with this rule.

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    "We reserve the right to reduce Referral Commission percentages if you reduce your efforts to recruit new Customers."

    So pushing Bet365 at a hotspot (like on the top 3 casinos of the month list) during a month might not be a good idea incase they want to continue to have that spot, otherwise they might drop the comissions %....Omg! Lol!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christoff View Post
    bet365 are regarded as the best UK facing operation by many.

    Their T&Cs are not ideal but as far as I'm aware, they haven't terminated any accounts with this rule.
    Agreed. But the worrying thing is the future. Personally, I don't worry while James is there but everyone moves on and if some new affiliate manager comes in and the pressure is on to reduce affiliate expenditure....:-/ For an existing Bet365 affiliate, item 6 is potentially the most worrying.

    I'm a big fan of Bet365 but nonetheless, this type of thing serves as a good reminder that an affiliate should try and spread players around different brands to spread the risk as much as possible and not become financially dependent on one or two affiliate programs.

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    One of the problems with the combination of terms they currently have are these:

    1) They have negative carryover
    2) The new 'if you reduce exposure, we can reduce commission' clause.

    For me, these are mutually contradictory. Right now, I'm in a £4k minus commission situation with Bet365 - so, obviously, I have reduced their exposure on my sites, as it will take me months to get back into positive numbers. Clearly, it's in my interests to push other sites until that point.

    Now, it seems that I could be penalised for making a simple business decision that I only made because of Bet365s own policies.

    I still think they are by far the best UK facing online sports betting option for both players and affiliates, but I'm very uncomfortable with this right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tryme1 View Post
    One of the problems with the combination of terms they currently have are these:

    1) They have negative carryover
    2) The new 'if you reduce exposure, we can reduce commission' clause.

    For me, these are mutually contradictory. Right now, I'm in a £4k minus commission situation with Bet365 - so, obviously, I have reduced their exposure on my sites, as it will take me months to get back into positive numbers. Clearly, it's in my interests to push other sites until that point.

    Now, it seems that I could be penalised for making a simple business decision that I only made because of Bet365s own policies.

    I still think they are by far the best UK facing online sports betting option for both players and affiliates, but I'm very uncomfortable with this right now.
    I'm in the same boat.
    I was negative with them for 2 years and 7 months.
    I finally got back into the black just last month, and was already feeling a little uncomfortable about continuing to promote them...
    The NCO on it's own is a huge worry for a small affiliate like myself, now with all those other predatory terms added too, I have to wonder if it's really worth the risk...?
    Shame, cos they are a great operation otherwise, like everyone says.

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    Agreed, KK.

    I've got one player who is betting and winning big on an almost daily basis. I've let this drift for 3 months but I'm going to have to contact B365 to see if they'll remove the guy from my stats. Either that or I'll have to ask them to give me his or her number so I can follow their picks

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