Bet365 Market Predatory

[Simmo!]

I agree that NCO is a PITA and I avoid it mostly although a few programs - like Bet365/CWC - I can bear it because they have proved themselves on retention.

I also think it's worth remembering that affiliate "partnerships" must cut two ways to remain viable. Where stats are zeroed each month, an affiliate is likely to be earning a fair bit more than the advertised/agreed revshare percentage on a player over his or her lifetime as we are insured against losses once every 30 days or so. A casino doesn't have that luxury.

That's why 40%+ deals make me nervous. I simply can't believe that most operators can afford that.

Like everything in life I guess it's about finding the right balance.

[xecutable]

Ask any sports betting affiliate, which is their best performing operator. I bet 90% would reply bet365.

Come on this place is becoming a joke, on recommendations what to and not to promote. Even with these terms if you ask, and there was a time when I did ask for a payment despite the fact I did not meet any of their standards and they have sent it.

Not to mention that they convert, pay promptly and as far as I am concerned do not deserve to be in the predatory section.

[KasinoKing]

Ask any sports betting affiliate, which is their best performing operator. I bet 90% would reply bet365.

Come on this place is becoming a joke, on recommendations what to and not to promote. Even with these terms if you ask, and there was a time when I did ask for a payment despite the fact I did not meet any of their standards and they have sent it.

Not to mention that they convert, pay promptly and as far as I am concerned do not deserve to be in the predatory section.

Yes, but not all affiliates work in the Sports Book area.
They may well be fine for people working in that sector, but they are VERY bad for the smaller affiliates working in Casino or other sectors (see my previous post in this thread).
Therefore I agree that they SHOULD be marked predatory.

KK

[Guard Dog]

Ask any sports betting affiliate, which is their best performing operator. I bet 90% would reply bet365.

Come on this place is becoming a joke, on recommendations what to and not to promote. Even with these terms if you ask, and there was a time when I did ask for a payment despite the fact I did not meet any of their standards and they have sent it.

Not to mention that they convert, pay promptly and as far as I am concerned do not deserve to be in the predatory section.

They may convert... they may be honest That's great. But they have a minimum player rule and if they chose to enforce their terms, they can easily NOT PAY unless you have 5 players in a given month. That is predatory. If they remove it, I would be GLAD to mark them friendly

[xecutable]

Actually Andy, I am pretty sure it's 5 depositors overall not from the previous or current month. From what I have been told, it's a term to ensure nobody will pull scams with registering via their own affiliate links making money off poker rake for example and etc.

"All bet365 affiliates are required to refer a minimum of 5 active Customers within a three month period of joining the program. Should an affiliate not reach this requirement the affiliate account may be closed, but you will have the option to open a new affiliate account."

I was actually worried once I signed up, but I was inactive for over a year and was never kicked out. While I do understand that those of you who are into casino might not experience what we do in sports, I strongly disagree that this particular brand is out there after your earnings!

[bonustreak]

Dated:2011-07-19 - Marketing - Maintaining Links
6. Continued Promotion
You shall incorporate and prominently and continually display the most up-to-date links provided by us on all pages of your website in a manner and location agreed by us and you shall not alter the form, location or operation of the links without our prior written consent. You are eligible for Referral Commissions based upon your continued promotion of Sports at bet365, Casino at bet365, Poker at bet365, Games at bet365 or Bingo at bet365. We reserve the right to reduce Referral Commission percentages if you reduce your efforts to recruit new Customers. Your reduced or suspended promotion of our sites will be deemed to represent your termination of this Agreement.

Dated:2011-07-19 - Minimum Player Rule
2.2 Minimum Referral Requirement

All bet365 affiliates are required to refer a minimum of 5 active Customers within a three month period of joining the program. Should an affiliate not reach this requirement the affiliate account may be closed, but you will have the option to open a new affiliate account.

I'm sorry you think this place is a joke to be honest I am confused on how much more clear this needs to be for you to consider these terms predatory! Yes the team at 365 are awesome, they are one of the best group of people I have met in a long time but come on these terms are horrible!

We promote them on our sites, we decided to take the risk if James or another affiliate manager we work close with leaves, who is to stop the new guy from enforcing these terms? Just something we will have to live with, it was our decision to work with them even after AGD warned me about the terms..

So therefore this site is not a joke! It is a warning tool, you did not have to sit and read these terms for hrs, you do not have to monitor these terms for sneaky changes, all you had to do was be a member here for free and your notified of changes, predatory terms etc... I think you get my point

Actually Andy, I am pretty sure it's 5 depositors overall not from the previous or current month. From what I have been told, it's a term to ensure nobody will pull scams with registering via their own affiliate links making money off poker rake for example and etc.

da

All bet365 affiliates are required to refer a minimum of 5 active Customers within a three month period of joining the program.

We reserve the right to reduce Referral Commission percentages if you reduce your efforts to recruit new Customers. Your reduced or suspended promotion of our sites will be deemed to represent your termination of this Agreement.

This is wide open statement it could mean anything in the favor of the company, they could call you out for not referring a new player every days or every 90 days... predatory without a doubt and they say this more then once in the terms.

[xecutable]

If, if , if. When any of these are enforced upon anyone, then I will consider them as predatory. To do it otherwise will mean (for me) disrespect to what James, Adam and the rest are doing over there.

And for the sake of this thread I am not trying to create an argument whether these terms are good or bad. I am just speaking from personal EXPERIENCE, that when these terms could have been applied to me, not only I did not get kicked out or got my commission reduced, I actually got a good faith payment.

[Guard Dog]

If, if , if. When any of these are enforced upon anyone, then I will consider them as predatory. To do it otherwise will mean (for me) disrespect to what James, Adam and the rest are doing over there.

And for the sake of this thread I am not trying to create an argument whether these terms are good or bad. I am just speaking from personal EXPERIENCE, that when these terms could have been applied to me, not only I did not get kicked out or got my commission reduced, I actually got a good faith payment.

I respect your decision there Just remember that we do not go off of what we think they will do. If they say they never enforce those terms.... then remove them

We have had way too many affiliates promote programs with these types of terms under the 'guarantee' that they will never be applied ONLY to find out later, after an AM change, that they were. It can really hurt to have that happen after a year or more of heavy promotion.

My argument always to the program is this: 'If you aren't going to use the term, remove it'. They never have an answer... because it is there for a reason.