High roller with 30k deposits and no revenue!

[azureus]

Hi guys,

so apparently I have a high roller in one well-known affiliate program, I'm not sure if he's playing casino or sports betting. It is a sportsbook where I'm on revenue share, they also offer casino games.

This guy registered in early 2013 and is says in total be deposited 30k euros, wagered like 600k and yet the revenue is only 1,5k and my commission is 30% of that.

This is really weird, I have no idea what this means. So let's say you want to play some games. If you win, you withdraw. If you lose, you deposit again. The same with betting on sports matches, if you are successful, you withdraw. If you are not successful, you either try again or give up.

But why the hell would you keep depositing when you are basically at zero -

 

[CaseyM]

Did you ask your AM yet?

 

[slotplayer]

you need to see withdrawals if any. total deposits could include winnings that were withdrawn and redeposited.

 

[Roulette Zeitung]

"If you win, you withdraw."

This is the exception rather than the rule.

"would you keep depositing when you are basically at zero"

To have more (safe) playing money after a bad wave to survive the next one better.

Leopold

 

[AussieDave]

"If you win, you withdraw."

This is the exception rather than the rule.

If all players were shrud and kept a level head; not able to be sucked into thinking they can win more and more; we as affiliates, wouldn't make anything like we do in commissions each month.
Agree with Leopold - withdrawals are the exception, not the rule of thumb with casino players.

 

[inspiration]

I have seen the same, winner that kept depositing as he wanted a better chance to win big. Also a bingo player that deposit slightly more than his withdrawals were.

 

[azureus]

Thanks for the ideas.

I'm not able to see withdrawals, they use Income Access. Sure the player could withdraw and deposit again and again... So that means he probably has 30k in his gaming account (for several months now)?
I guess I can contact my AM maybe he'll tell me the same thing you did.

 

[edgarf76]

I would go with my gut on this, if it doesn't feel right than move along to another program.

 

[Giggity.]

Definitely seems a bit strange, time to do some detective work hey. Could you keep the thread updated?

 

[AussieDave]

I would go with my gut on this, if it doesn't feel right than move along to another program.

Most affiliate programs only give us basis stats. We are not given what we really need to see. Is this deliberate, who knows... I agree with edgarf76, if things don't look correct, go on your gut feelings.

 

[KasinoKing]

Yes, as Bet4You said, the problem is the back-end doesn't show withdrawals.

I was just looking at my Red Flush history before FL take the old stats down and for this year to-date:
Deposits: $15,174
Commission: $148

But I can't view withdrawals, so I just have to assume my players made about $14,500 in withdrawals this year.

KK

 

[LandofOz]

I'd ask the AM for an explanation, and I'd read about what past and current affiliates are saying about this program, and their experiences with it. But If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

 

[edgarf76]

Most affiliate programs only give us basis stats. We are not given what we really need to see. Is this deliberate, who knows... I agree with edgarf76, if things don't look correct, go on your gut feelings.

with a good sports program with a good affiliate manager they show you the tickets. It is a really tough call.

 

[3joker]

I guess this could happen if the sportsbook offer quick withdraws so the player deposit again soon after the receives his money. I have had this problem with Betsson, huge deposits every month, very little rev share.

 

[AussieDave]

I guess this could happen if the sportsbook offer quick withdraws so the player deposit again soon after the receives his money. I have had this problem with Betsson, huge deposits every month, very little rev share.

In the case of casinos, some places have put additional clauses in their T&C's, to prevent players from churning.
That is they'll deposit (claim a bonus), win, withdrawal and deposit again, claiming further bonuses. It's like a revolving door.

Hence in situations like this, especially if multiple players are "churning", you'll see huge monthly deposits but achieve very little rev share.

 

[CygX1]

How did this turn out? The bettor might also keep depositing to collect bonuses.

 

[CasinoKev]

Any update?

 

[Casino-Matt]

In the case of casinos, some places have put additional clauses in their T&C's, to prevent players from churning.
That is they'll deposit (claim a bonus), win, withdrawal and deposit again, claiming further bonuses. It's like a revolving door.

Hence in situations like this, especially if multiple players are "churning", you'll see huge monthly deposits but achieve very little rev share.

This does seem the most likely scenario if the affiliate scheme is honest. On the other hand the player may have simply won a few times, unlikely as it sounds, people do actually win from time to time. $100 accumulator on 6 or 7 games can yeild enough to warrant a big withdrawl.

Which program was this with?
Did you contact the AM?
This could be useful info for AGD.