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[AussieDave]

GuardDog has given me permission to post this request.

Post removed, just in case the AU gambling bill goes down. Can't be red flagging myself

 

[KasinoKing]

Browser based with NetEnt, MGS and other slot platforms;

Dream on matey!

You live in Australia, if I recall correctly?
If so, in about 10 weeks time you won't be able to play NetEnt & MG games any more.

I can offer you a good RTG with instant cash-outs and I will give you 10% cash-back on your net monthly losses...

KK

 

[AussieDave]

in about 10 weeks time you won't be able to play NetEnt & MG games any more.

I haven't seen anything which tells me that. Besides, the bill hasn't been passed, yet. Still has go thru a 2'nd reading AFAIK, then a vote. Where did you get this info from??? If however it does go arse up in 10 weeks. Then, it's a blessing in disguise. I'll save those pennies and blow it on a Ferrari F430 F1, I've got my eye on

 

[KasinoKing]

Where did you get this info from???

From the horse's mouth - a CEO of a MG only casino, which is soon to go multi-software.

Baring a miracle, Aus will be excluded from all MG & NetEnt games by the end of April...

KK

 

[TheGooner]

Indeed - that's as I understand it too.

There is no political will in Australia to oppose the bill - all major players want online casino / poker out.
The bill looks certain to pass.

 

[AussieDave]

There is no political will in Australia to oppose the bill - all major players want online casino / poker out.

The problem, like it always seems to be with these Political agendas, the advice they receive, is generally from University Boffins, who have little to no experience in the wild. Hence the recommendations etc, are based on theory, and usually not practical, hands-on experience. The blind leading the clueless!

EG - Part of this BILL contains law to force ISP's to block off-shore gambling sites. Well that's just ridiculous. There are means to circumnavigate that issue, and they are ALL legal. Next, I believe banks etc will be forced to block off-shore funding purchases, and withdrawals. In steps Bitcoin, best of British luck trying to block that!

Worse though, the legitimate casinos/poker rooms etc, will exit AU en masse. However, the clip joints wont. And, we all know how these places do business. If the AU Gov thought they hasd complaints about off-shore casinos/poker rooms before, well they're in a for a very rude awakening.

If the BILL passes, this fiasco will implode in the faces of Xenophon, Wilkie and another other AU poli (on their side) who are too naive to see this will fail badly.

Wishful thinking, but I was hoping someone in Canberra would have some brains, and put forward the recommendation that AU follows the path of other Countries, such as the UK. This would be (imo), a far better means to protect AU citizens. Because history tells us, time and time again, that prohabition doesn't work. It just drives everything underground.

 

[TheGooner]

While your points on the proposed implementations are accurate - they're almost irrelevant to politicians.

Blocking sites via ISP does work for 90% of the population.
Restricting access to bank accounts and credit card for offshore gambling purchases (if this is tried) WOULD stop 95% of Australians.

While it's not a 100% solution - it IS stopping the typical surfer or unsavvy punter from getting online and betting on casino and poker ...
And THAT is exactly what politicians want.

So the bill as proposed won't be a fiasco, it WILL stop a large majority of Australians from gambling at casino and/or poker online ...

And (unfortunately for us as affiliates, and you as a player) it seems that generally the public support or are neutral on this stance (possibly after being fed a series of bad new gambling stories)
And that tacit public acceptance will be considered a win by politicians.

 

[AussieDave]

@TheGooner - What you've said I totally get.

Thing is though, Australia has a world wide reputation for being a nation who likes a bet. So this law to prevent an iconic Aussie activity, given we already have licensed online bookies, land based casinos, pokies in pubs and RSL's, TAB etc., (and on every ANZAC memorial day, the service guys still play two-up), this BILL really does seem bizarre at best.

For argument sake (while the poli's will deny it), the real truth is lost tax. EG - Hotel (publican) associations, have been screaming about lost revenue due to online gaming (aka pokies). Here in SA, those profit figures have dropped from $350Mil or so in 2010/11, to < $190Mil in 2015/16. SA is a small populated state of approx 1.7Mil, with Adelaide (capital city) making up around 1.2mil.

Start factoring in the larger states like Vic/NSW/QLD/WA, and that comes to a combined pop of approx 20.9Mil.

If SA pubs have lost $160Mil in revenue (per year), then that effects the tax the Gov collects. And believe me, the Gov get a fair swag of the cash going into pokies. I believe by the time the venue takes out royalities, costs, taxes, it's left with about $0.10 to $0.15 in every dollar put thru these machines.

Point is, it seems odd that they'd choose to ban it, rather than establishing a licensing framework. Banning it isn't going to have people flood back to pokies venues. Ironically the reason Aussie have en massed to online casinos, is because the pokies out here are set to pathetically low RTP levels. EG - On average $50 lasts maybe 15 min. Whereas online that same money people can play for hours low-rolling. Can't do that here, cause the new machines are ALL 100+ line jobs.

It just seems very short sighted, and a receipe that will, as always, be another waste of tax payers money. Whereas licensing will put dollars back in.

The NT Gov licensed Lasseters way back in 1999. It was well managed and organised. Albeit AU players were banned. Still, you get my point.

 

[TheGooner]

Yes - I get your point.

The politicians pushing this bill get it too - they've left sports betting alone (both online and offline) - and the physical pokies in pubs and clubs too.
If they had touched any of this then there WOULD have been outrage and they would have been lynched ...


There is an element of tax, and local protectionism thinking behind the politicians thinking (which gains support from neutral MPs).
The basic feeling seems to be internet and offshore companies are bad - so to only allow locally run organisation to offer sports betting online
These are usually licensed in Northern Territory, but that hasn't stopped State Governments from getting in on the tax grab.

From June 2017 - South Australia is levying a 15% tax on "the net wagering revenue of all betting companies offering services in SA".
The tax will be levied on the profits of online operators who took bets in South Australia - they expect $9 million a year.
Source : http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-...-at-sa-governments-online-betting-tax/7680514

 

[casinonewbie]

EG - Hotel (publican) associations, have been screaming about lost revenue due to online gaming (aka pokies)

Some big names that stand to benefit from this ban is all the big casinos & Woolworths (major operator of supermarkets & they have about 12,000 machines in its 300 pub casinos in oz) & Aristocrat, so lets get them back into the clubs so we can fleece them proper
So who is really behind this BS ?

 

[AussieDave]

Woolworths have (not their fingers) but literally their hands, in lots of pies. They've deversified heaps, since they began as a supermarket chain. Pubs/Pokies being one of their major business ventures, along now with insurance and credit cards, to name a few.

What seems to have upset the apple cart, was these in-gaming bets. I dson't know where you reside casinonewbie BUT at one point here in Australia, those in-gaming betting ads were being flooded on AU commercial TV. Leaving that aside for a moment, there has also been a fair few complaints voiced about off-shore casinos (aka clip joints), not honouring winnings, FU clauses, confiscating funds of AU punters etc. It all adds up, and it gives the law makers an excuse/reason to overhaul the BILL.

So who is really behind this BS ?

It's a matter of take your pick. I'm sure there are few worthy candidates