Haven't been paid for months by BCP despite numerous requests

[globalgroup]

Hi, is anybody else having issues getting paid by these guys. I have had about $700 owing to me since July and despite numerous emails to them they simply don't respond. They came up with a lame excuse of an audit in August but no responses since.

This is really frustrating . Any feedback appreciated.

 

[Aussie-Dave]

There is speculation that Best Casino Partner is connected to the owners/management of the defunct Cpays.

If that is indeed true, the excuses you've been given and no reply to your emails, goes hand in hand with modus operadi of the defunct Cpays.

As fas as payment, I'd be pulling their banners and links...Frankly if they can't pay you in 3 months, then they probably are not going to!

Need more info read these threads:

Do not Promote Best Casino Partners
Cpays Insider Reveals All



Cheers



Dave

 

[WCD Admin]

Those threads are identical to my experience. I had no idea they are connected to CPAYS though. Our income has gone down with them (nose-dive) and our traffic has been slowly rising .... we used to make xx,xxx routinely with them. I had an accounting problem with them, had to have the aff managers switched because it was so bad. Interestingly that's when the real shit hit the fan my income tanked and my guarantee slowly lowered and lowered. This month its 4k and I don't plan to keep them on any sort of guarantee after this. They have huge exposure and did well - now I feel robbed. I've told them that. They have their story, its all different from ours....

 

[Engineer]

I made less than the minimum payment threshold of $200 in August, so I wasn't expecting a payment last month. I should get a check this month, though.

I stopped promoting BCP several months ago after I saw that they were selling / leaking player data to the rogue Gold VIP Club Casino. That was enough to pull them, but even if that hadn't happened, I would have pulled them anyway because the revenue simply wasn't good enough to justify keeping them on my sites.

I'm not sure what happened with this group -- they used to convert like mad, and they really knew what they were doing -- but now they just plain suck.

 

[Aussie-Dave]

I'm not sure what happened with this group -- they used to convert like mad, and they really knew what they were doing -- but now they just plain suck.

It's called doing a number on affiliates

Get them in, get them to send heaps of players and then when the player quota is filled, start cross marketing & or selling player details to rogue casinos.


Cheers



Dave

 

[Pokerkeep]

Guess they better come off my sites.... feeling bad I've been referring other affs to them.

 

[slotplayer]

I guess I dropped them in june. To be honest I'm having trouble keeping up with all the changes and policing with these programs.

I did get a check for $1200 and then there was some issue of a couple hundred being manually adjusted as negative for the next commission. So I just pulled them after that.

I only gave them limited exsposure but I just looked at my stats for jan-oct and I had 137 clicks and 1 real join but no deposits for new or exisitng players. I'm at a -1 cent.

 

[dominique]

There is speculation that Best Casino Partner is connected to the owners/management of the defunct Cpays.

If that is indeed true, the excuses you've been given and no reply to your emails, goes hand in hand with modus operadi of the defunct Cpays.

As fas as payment, I'd be pulling their banners and links...Frankly if they can't pay you in 3 months, then they probably are not going to!

Need more info read these threads:

Do not Promote Best Casino Partners
Cpays Insider Reveals All



Cheers



Dave

I have been receiving some information lately, unfortunately I cannot tell the exact nature and who all is involved because litigation is pending and the last thing I want to do is jeopardize it in any way.

But - Dave is right on in regards to many programs, although I have not seen the BCP name in this. If you read the " Cpays insider reveals all" thread, it's right on the money. The data trading is flourishing, especially in some softwares and it directly impacts affiliates in a bad way.

Data trading has become our worst enemy, and I can't wait until this litigation becomes public and I can show and tell. It is not done by the programs directly but but a marketing agency that successfully delivers and is contracted by the operators. Aff managers may not even be aware.

It pretty much amounts to affiliates only being used to bring fresh, new players. That is why incentives are not based on revenues generated as would be logical, but on numbers of new players, regardless of value. Once the new players are in the system, they are bought and sold or traded in many cases. This results in affiliates working their butt off to bring large numbers of new players, but never enjoying that actual revenues created by these players.

I don't know how wide spread this is, it is not all the industry. Hopefully a lot of this will surface in the litigation.

Meanwhile, pay close attention to retention in programs, i.e. the life time value of your players. That is the one truly meaningful indicator of honesty you have anymore.

Of course it's possible that some casinos just don't have good retention efforts in place, or have crappy support etc. Still, the ones that do retain are unlikely to be involved in this. So the conclusion only works one way - to identify who is not in this trading situation. It doesn't work to identify who is.

Also, do you play? How many spam emails do you receive from unknown casinos? Where do you think they get your details?

I can't wait for the details to surface...

 

[lots0]

Meanwhile, pay close attention to retention in programs, i.e. the life time value of your players. That is the one truly meaningful indicator of honesty you have anymore.

That needs to be shouted from the roof tops...

 

[WCD Admin]

I've been steadily watching my smaller sites with Google ads out performing online casinos - that was enough evidence for me to know that whatever was going on was really bad.

Can't wait to here the details.

 

[slotplayer]

It pretty much amounts to affiliates only being used to bring fresh, new players. That is why incentives are not based on revenues generated as would be logical, but on numbers of new players, regardless of value. Once the new players are in the system, they are bought and sold or traded in many cases. This results in affiliates working their butt off to bring large numbers of new players, but never enjoying that actual revenues created by these players.

This may answer my question as to why as the years go by there seems to always only be a handful of long term players playing.

The affiliate payment bill is just too large for it to be ignored in a tough economy.

 

[GFPC]

I have also noticed lots of shilling going around about this group on forums.

 

[slotplayer]

I might add after re-reading Dom's post about all the CD's I/we receive.

 

[Aussie-Dave]

I've been steadily watching my smaller sites with Google ads out performing online casinos - that was enough evidence for me to know that whatever was going on was really bad.

• The longer your site is active, the more traffic you should get.
• The longer you promote a program the more players you'll have and the better stats you'll have to know if something is amiss.

It's not too hard to figure out your average player worth.

If however you are seeing drastic changes in income as direct and ongoing issues to lack of players deposits, sign-ups, retention & or whales disappearing, the likelihood of something iffy is IMHO on the cards.

It doesn't take a genius to know if something ain't right.

Aff programs that are doing dodgy sh#t will blame the economic down turn, your quality of traffic - they'll pull any excuse in an attempt to throw suspicion away from them.

But stats and number crunching don't lie. Especially if your income is taking a BIG hit month after month, when previously this program was performing well for you.

Too many long time affiliates are reporting funky stats for my liking.

Anyone that is seeing similar data should IMHO be asking questions from the affiliate programs concerned. Affiliates should also be actively sharing this data on forums such as AGD. We owe it to ourselves to look out for each other, don't we?

Player stealing, data selling and stats shaving has got a lot worse since Grand Prive` got away with shafting affiliates.

It's about time (and long overdue) for affiliate programs to be held accountable.
After all it's our money and livelihoods that are on the line here!


Cheers



Dave

 

[bb1webs]

I was twice today, cold called by Prism casino, some place I have never heard of, or at least, don't remember.

Rather strange if they ARE some place I have played, that they'd raise up and be so noticed all at once such as has been done.

MORONS! Those idiots ruin things for everybody because while the player may not fall for their BS, the simple fact they called the player's house has now alerted the spouse, the kids, and the dog, and anybody else within hearing range of the answering machine, which means to the rest of us, that every spouse who was hiding their play, that was contacted by these jerks, now will have to cool it for some a while, others will quit and not go back to on line, because its just too big a risk when you start getting cold called by casinos you never heard of, or that were so vague in memory you don't recall them.

And in the case of Prism, you'll love this.

300% bonus, (and I swear this is what he said)... NO wagering requirements.

so go deposit 10,000 and turn around and withdraw 300% on that.

right.

yet that is what the prick said.

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You know what amazes me most is you would think that at least a few of the greed-goats would at least have enough sense to see that Vegas is coming and instead of cementing themselves in as being reliable, responsible establishments they piss on our legs and tell us its raining and most astonishingly is the morons actually believe that they are selling us on their consistent excuses, glitches and sideways pitches.

Yes they've gotten richer than any person should be, on our sweat, but greed breeds need. So eventually their approach will fail them the same as the systems that their gamblers try and eventually fail using.

In other words, they'll never be able to get enough, which is really a thorn in the side when you've been estranged from the majority of affs who actually earn money.

As Dave said, you can't hide bottom line.

I have been preaching for some time now, if the place ain't making you money, don't list them. At least not in any spots that see traffic.

I would think this thread greatly echoes that sentiment.

Now I've got a few BCP links left to hunt down. I guess its time to practice the preach.